chord subsitution

[morjaz]

Minor seventh chords can extend to the 9th,11th and 13th
example Cm9 - C,Eb,Bb,D (x3133x).....9th is D
Cm11 - C,Bb,Eb,F (8x886x)......11th is F
Cm13 - C,G,Bb,Eb,A (x35345)....13th is A

[slowpoke]

I do extend chords all the time. What I should probably start doing now is start trying out different inversions and such.

I'm more interested in voice leading though, I was playing some tunes with my brother and where I was playing E half dimished he suggest where it goes to A7 to add a flat 9, because that carries that flat5 from the E-7. It was a good suggestion.

E-7b5 x7878x
A7b9 xx7686

and then the next chord is
D-7 x5x565

[morjaz]

That certainly makes a smooth change to the Dm....can I ask what the tune was?

[morjaz]

Major chords can extend to 9,#11,and 13
Examples Cmaj9....C,E,G,B,D.......x3243x..9th is D
Cmaj#11...C,E,G,B,F#...x32002..#11 is F#
Cmaj13......C,E,G,B,D,A..8,x,9,9,10,10....13th is A

[morjaz]

ii,V,i example of subs
original chords....Em,A7,D
sub......................Em11,A13,Dmaj7
x797,10,x.(Em11)...5x567x.(A13)
x5767x.(Dmaj7)

[slowpoke]

morjaz said:

That certainly makes a smooth change to the Dm....can I ask what the tune was?

The tune is "Bernie's Tune." I'm using the sheet from the new real book, I could post the changes or maybe just scan it if you're interested.

[morjaz]

Thanks Slowpoke.......Bernie has a nice tune!....now I know the context for the change you posted..... www.ralphpatt.com/VB/b4.html that webpage has the changes www.ralphpatt.com/ ...gets you Ralph Patt's homepage where there is a vanilla book with over 400 songs.......

[slowpoke]

interesting site. he's got some interesting ideas on tuning and guitars as well.

you might try seeing if you can find an mp3 of bernies tune, the melody is nice as well. i believe gerry mulligan did a cool version of it.

[morjaz]

You can make subs by altering the dominant chord.This is done by flatting or sharping the 5th and/or 9th of the chord.....
examples .......3x342x........is G7 with a flatted 5th
3x344x........is G7 with a sharped 5th
3x3434.......is G7 with a flatted 9th
353466........is G7 with sharped 9th
3x3446........is G7 with sharp 5th and 9th
3x3424.......is G7 with flat 5th and 9th
3x3444.......is G7 with sharp5th and b9th
3x3426.......is G7 with flat 5th and #9th

[morjaz]

Chet Baker and Stan Getz also......and I see that Charlie Byrd and also Tal Farlow have recorded Bernie's
Tune.....Interestingly it was written by Jerry Lieber,Bernard Millar and Mike Stoller........the Lieber/Stoller partnership wrote many rocknroll hits including a good few Elvis hits .

[morjaz]

original progression......(strum each chord twice)
Am7,D7,Bm7,E7,Am7,D7,G
substituted chords.....
x05500(Am9),xx4557(D13),x2323x(Bm7b5),xx0110(E7#5),5x553x(Am11),4x453x(Ab7b5-tritone sub for D7),3x443x(Gma7)

[morjaz]

Check out the lists of Mickey Baker chords Mahayana has posted in Comping,jazzchords,chord progressions

[morjaz]

original progression...Dm,G7,Cm,F7,Bb.
substituting flat 5ths....x5658x(Dm7b5),3x342x(G7b5),x3436x(Cm7b5),
1x120x(F7b5) ,x1021x (Bbmaj9)

[morjaz]

original progression......Em,A7,D
sub. progression ..........12 x11 12 12 x(Em7),
x 10 11 11 11 x(A13b9 - no root),10 x 11 11 10 x(Dmaj7) (descending line on second string)

[slowpoke]

What kind of chords do you like to substitue for half diminished chords?

I'm working with Autumn Leaves right now, and I can't find very many useable voicings for the chord. I'm playing it in G-, so it's EbMA7 to A half diminished to D7+9 . I have done the inversion of putting the b5 in the bass but haven't done much.

xx7888 is the one I'm most likely going to, same voicing as x 12 13 12 13 x, I guess the half diminished and fully demolished chords would be a nice area to explore. Or at least helpful to me .